kath slicks split with the vatican on a lot of issues. now, there's a slight chance that arch bishop timothy dolan could be up for major consideration. he certainly could take the church into a more modern direction. what do you think, james? >> well, let's be honest, there's a crisis of leadership within the catholic church and he is specially within american kath toll cism. one of every three catholics born into the faith no longer consider themselves catholic and it's because we no longer see the inspiration of the gospel notice actions of our bishops. increasingly, our bishops are known for their political actions and inheriting the leg zbas of pat robertson and jerry falwell and less and less a spiritual inspiration. >> kim you let me ask you that leads to another question, people are moving toward secularism, away from the message of the church, how does the church bring those people back and against these feels of disenfranchisement they are having? >> the catholics go to church in pews every sunday because they stand with our chur